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Immigrants in Greece March 10, 2010

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Immigrants that  had entered Greece illegally and are struggling hard. The story of young Waqas Ahmed, who hails from a small village of Gujrat, is typical. He had paid Rs 700,000 to the agent in Gujrat to get to Unaan

Socrates used to talk to young men in the narrow lanes of ancient Athens. He did not preach but raised questions, which led the interlocutors to think about the virtues of Sparta and the shortcomings of their rulers. He had to give his life to what he thought was the truth.

Today in the same lanes, some two-and-a-half-millenniums down the history lane, young men from Gujrat are seen hiding at the sight of Athens’ police. They fear arrest and deportation. These young men have risked their lives to come to the dreamland of prosperity and security. There is no Socrates back home to raise questions in their minds that may dissuade our young men from taking this dangerous route.

My interest in the young Pakistani economic immigrants to Greece started right from the moment I overheard two Punjabi gentlemen in the overcrowded passenger lounge of Abu Dhabi. A hefty man in his early 40s was telling his young friend, “I went to Unaan (Greece) illegally 20 years ago by ship. May God bless Bhatti sahib who helped many people from my village to go to Europe!”

Most Pakistani immigrants I talked to were honest and forthright. They all admitted that they had entered Greece illegally and are struggling hard. The story of young Waqas Ahmed, who hails from a small village of Gujrat, is typical. He is now vending do number ka Chinese maal at the Flea Market in the Plaka area of Athens. He says: “I make around 300 euros a month by selling these cheap Chinese electronic things. Those who are lucky to get a job make 600-800 euros per month and have been able to send money back home to pay back their debts.” Waqas had paid Rs 700,000 to the agent in Gujrat to get to Unaan. To raise the money, his family sold some land and his brother had to borrow from friends and relatives. “God bless the agent, he took five of us from our village to the Iran border, where 20 other people joined us. We were then handed over to the Iranian agent, who made us walk and ride dunkeys (donkeys) through the mountainous terrain and passed us on to the Turkish agent. Again we walked in the night through the mountains and rested in the morning. Eventually, after travelling for two months over the mountains, we were delivered to the Greek agent, who took money and left us to fend for ourselves.” “But sir,” he added, “once you are here, your own people take care of you.”

Waqas agreed with me that with the money he gave to the agents (human traffickers), he could have started his own business. “I was crazy about going abroad,” he confessed, “all the young men who were with me have either followed this course or are planning to do so.” Another immigrant says that in many villages of Gujrat and Sialkot each household has at least one young man in Europe and all have come through illegal means. Once in Athens, I found out that there are about one million immigrants in Greece and half of them are from Albania, Romania and Poland. A recent survey says that 45 percent Greeks are against immigrants. This resentment is increasing because of the serious economic crisis in the country. But the good news is that Pakistani immigrants are considered to be “good people”. Reason: the Greeks hate the pushy Albanians who run the Mafia. They do not resent Pakistanis and Indians because they do the hard factory (or other) jobs not liked by the Greeks.

Though on a holiday, I could not resist the thought of finding out more about these economic immigrants. At the understaffed Embassy of Pakistan in Athens, I saw a large number of young Pakistanis, mostly from Gujrat and Sialkot villages. They all waited in a long queue patiently. All of them had the same story that we came to Greece illegally and are now trying to get our passport and National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis (NICOP). One young lad complained that the embassy sends the papers for verification, which takes a long time. But the majority said that they get their papers within three months. Inside, the burly Head of Chancery Faisal Kakar was drowned in applications and registers. According to him, there are around 45,000 illegal Pakistanis in Greece. Unofficial figures are twice that number. One embassy employee complained that when the total number of Pakistanis in Greece was not more than a few hundred, we had a sanctioned staff strength of three and now, despite the fact that it is over 45,000, the number of staff has not been increased. Why blame Waqas who comes from the large family of a small farmer and is hardly a matriculate from a low quality government school?

A good majority of low-income immigrants had taken the illegal route. Gujrat, Gujranwala and Sialkot are notorious for this among the Western diplomats in Islamabad. It is no wonder that we are now getting close to $ 8 billion in foreign remittances, something that is proudly announced by every government. Even our beggars migrate illegally to Saudi Arabia in search of generous alms, the courtesy of some Umra agents.

The Richie Riches of Pakistan have mostly bought a second passport. Most of them are not honest enough like their poor Gujrati cousins to admit that they have a second passport. Those who do, rationalise it: “One has to have a fall-back arrangement.” This speaks volumes about their faith in the future of Pakistan. At the risk of being labelled unpatriotic by over-zealous nationalists, I have to concede that no political and security analyst at present can take on a bet that our security situation is going improve in the near future. There are many who invested first in Dubai and are now doing so in Malaysia just to get the residential permit, which clearly prohibits such people from undertaking any work in these countries. Contrary to the reverse brain drain trend in India, our qualified younger lot has either migrated or is trying to do so. Their argument is that the country’s law and order situation is not conducive to bringing up their children. Middle class boys talk against migration only till they get the opportunity to jump ship.

Economic migration is understandable as, according to a large international survey conducted by Gallup, almost 700 million people said that they would like to move to another country. The interesting thing was that a majority of respondents from the developed countries also expressed an urge to migrate. The tragedy is that our disadvantaged are economic migrants and upper-middle class are security migrants. Where does it leave my country that is now faced with both the brain and brawn drain?

Comments»

1. AZ - August 13, 2012

WHO PAYS YOU TO IMPORT IMMIGRANTS TO GREECE? What is your objective?

AZ

2. ellhn - August 13, 2012

Macedonia in GREEK! There is no turkish and Macedonian friendship!YOU WILL BURN YOU WILL DROWN YOU WILL LOSE EVERYTHING!

3. eksothen - August 13, 2012

Who told to come to my country????? Who invited you to my country?? How much did you pay off your ‘guides’ to travel in an illegal manner to my country???? What are your intentions to stay?? to create an islamic ripe situation to make this land, my land to an islamic place???? THIS IS HELLAS NOT “YUNANISTAN” – MY PEOPLE THE PROYD AND EVERLASTING HELLENES ARE NOT PART OF YOUR WORLD A WORLD OF DARKNESS AND SUPERSTITION TAKE YOUR “allah” and keep it at home, BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY WHERE EVER THAT IS.
MY COYNTRY MY PEOPLE, HELLENES ARE FACING ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL STRIFE – THIS LAND IS FACING AN EXTERNAL ECONOMIC WAR – THE LAST THING WE THE HELLENES NEED ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE OF QUESTIONABLE ETHICS, LOW CULTURAL QUALITY, UNHEALTHY PRACTICESS e.g.eating dogs???, BRINGING TO MY LAND VIRUSESS THAT HAVE BEEN WIPED OFF. WE THE HELLENES THE PROUD AND EVERLASTING HAVE SHAPED AND ADVANCED SCIENCE, PHILOSOPHY, IATRIC & HIEGENIC PRACTICESS, RETORIC METHODOLOGY, POLITICAL SCINCESS, DIPLOMACY, ACHIEVMENTS IN STRATEGY AND PRACTICES AT WAR, ARTS, VIRTUE AND MEASURE IN EVERY DAY LIFE OF THE CITIZEN.
YOU???? WHO ARE YOU??? WHAT QUALITY OF CULTURE, LIFE AND EDUCATION DO YOU HAVE???? GO BACK TO THE CAVES WHERE YOU BELONG AND ALL YOU UNWELCOMED INTRUDERS TO MY LAND. YOU ARE NOT WANTED AND NEVER WILL BE!!

4. nomore imigrants - August 13, 2012

and now this dirty bastard mothetfucking pakistani ( The story of young Waqas Ahmed) has raped a 15 year young greek girl and beated the shit out of her since more then 2 weeks she is in a coma coz of the head injuries…GO FUCK YOURSELF YOUR COUNTRIES AND YOUR RELIGIONS DIRTY PIGS

5. Yiannis Sil - August 13, 2012

I am from Greece , write something about the 1.000.000 from other countries in the middle of this economical crisis , allthese come mainly from Turkia , is very heavy for us , don’t write only propaganda but also the truth 🙂

6. Nemesis - August 13, 2012

fuck allah and mohamed. turkish+iraq shit get the fuck out of civilised europe. you live in shit and you are gypsy monkeys.

7. Παύλος Νικήτας - August 14, 2012

Poor Mr Ahmed Waqas is currently arrested by the Greek police, for having raped and almost brutally killed a 15 years old Greek girl, during the last ramadan. Police says he has already accepted responsibility. Looks like you picked the wrong hero mister.

8. christofer christofer - August 14, 2012

“young Waqas Ahmed” is currently held in jail for an attempt to rape and kill a 15 year old girl. he bashed the young girls head against the rocks and left her in a critical stage fighting for her life in a hospital in the island of Paros. and all this because he wanted to steal her mobile phone at first and then to rape her!!!!! a very nice boy you picked to portrait the hard way the illegal immigrants live in Greece. a rapist and a murderer!!!! if you like these guys keep them in your countries to have your daughters raped and killed by those uncivilized savages. and Socrates has nothing to do with this

9. Kostas - August 14, 2012

If people choose to migrate illegally, they will inevitably suffer the consequences. This man Waqas (who is a murderer by the way of a Greek Girl in island Paros) had the alternative of opening his own business back home. 700.000 Rupees are a fortune back there. You cannot expect from a Nation which struggles itself in financial turmoil to support people who decided to break the law. Greece does not have 1 million immigrants but 4. It has become too heavy burden for the indigenous population. Compassion has limits.

10. Savvas Lazopoulos - August 14, 2012

stay and have a job in Turkey. Turkey it is cheaper, jobs are easier to find out and, on top of all they are Muslims too.

11. leo - August 14, 2012

waqas ahmet rot in hell!

12. george - August 14, 2012

whatever the text says….immigrants,,leave greece now cause we are full of you and we can t stand more,,,,easy and simple,,go to german england sweden and other countries who can easily handle you with care

13. ΧΑΟΣ - August 16, 2012

Bloody bastards what are you say there?
There is not Macedonia outside of Hellas…
You send daily thousands unhappy and uneducated economic immigrants in Hellas…!
I know …
Your sinister plan is to destroy the Hellenes and to delete Hellas from the geographical map …!
But you will not succeed!
This will turn Boomerang to you…!
Those who illegally invade Greece, the devil will get their mother …
At the end you may get what the Turks did to Athanasios Diakos …

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16. k - January 24, 2013

Greeks want immigrants like PakI’S to do the jobs they don’t want to do what rubbish Greeks dont want ANY immigrants. Any wonder uk is having referendum about leaving eec ( i WANT OUT) this is the reason why – SEND THEM BACK.

17. Voice of wisdom - February 12, 2013

So much hate speech never brought any good!!!!!!!!!!!! Treat others as you’d like to be treated. If one day Greeks are persecuted away from their home country, don’t be surprised. Remember that in the same way that immigrants are foreign to Greece, Greeks are foreign to EVERY other country on this planet. And Greeks are not any more human than immigrants. All this aggressive talk will certainy not solve the economic situation. It will only make you a horrible and bitter person, practically useless to the Greek society as you are making no positive contribution to the already difficult situation the country is facing. The virtues of ancient Greeks do not come across these deep words of hatred for other human beings. Question your integrity ASAP!

Leves D - February 9, 2014

We treat them better than they deserve but this situation will change you can be sure of that! Nobody can persecute us in our OWN land.

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20. Ευάγγελος Ε. Χιωτέλης - February 2, 2014

One would expect nothing better from a web-page created by Skopians and Turks? But then again neither of them have any history behind to show the world of anything to be proud of, so we can understand their frustration and anger towards Greece and Greeks.

21. Leves D - August 14, 2014

The good news are that Pakis are no longer considered ‘good people’. They are just like the rest of the garbage.


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