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Macedonia name dispute ‘informal’ talks set for January 27 January 6, 2011

Posted by Yilan in EU, European Union, Macedonia, Yunanistan.
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Macedonia name dispute ‘informal’ talks set for January 27Men wave EU, and Macedonian flags in front of the Macedonian government building in Skopje, October 2009.

Matthew Nimetz, the United Nations-appointed mediator in the dispute between Athens and Skopje about the use of the name Macedonia, will meet official representatives of the two sides in New York on January 27 2011.

The dispute has dragged on since the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, with Greece insisting that Macedonia is wrong to call itself that.

Greece has a province called Macedonia and holds that Skopje’s use of the name for the country is historically inappropriate and could be exploited to further Macedonian territorial claims in northern Greece.

The issue, a deeply emotional one and a recurring theme in domestic elections in Macedonia, has led to Greece obstructing Skopje’s path towards Nato, pending resolution of the dispute, while the standoff is also seen as an obstacle in Macedonia’s hopes for eventual membership of the European Union.

Attempts by Nimetz to broker a compromise have failed repeatedly. Reportedly, naming the country “Northern Macedonia” has been proposed, but add-on issues such as references to the Macedonian language, identity and Skopje’s insistence that Athens should recognise a Macedonian ethnic minority in Greece have held back prospects for progress towards a compromise.

Leading Greek daily Kathimerini described the January 27 meeting, which will see Nimetz meet Macedonian negotiator Zoran Jolevski and Greek negotiator Adamantios Vassilakis, as an informal one designed to show that the issue was still topical. The paper said that the meeting was being exploited by Skopje for its own domestic political goals.

Macedonian president Gjorge Ivanov earlier portrayed the January 27 talks as likely to boost the process.

Various media reports, quoting “insiders”, have expressed optimism about a solution to the name dispute being achieved in 2011.

“We believe a solution will be found and that is why we take part in the process. We are always constructive and make proposals for a solution,” Ivanov said.

Addressing the Greek parliament in the budget debate on December 22 2010, foreign minister Dimitris Droutsas said: “Our position on the FYROM issue is well known: We want a name with a geographical qualifier for all uses, erga omnes. The resolution of the name issue is a prerequisite for Skopje’s accession to Nato and the EU”.

On November 1 2010, Kathimerini quoted Macedonia’s deputy prime minister for European affairs, Vasko Naumovski, as saying that Athens would have to recognise the existence of a Macedonian language and identity to settle the name dispute with Skopje.

Speaking after Greek prime minister George Papandreou and his Macedonian counterpart Nikola Gruevski had met in Brussels for talks that proved inconclusive, Naumovski said that Greece had to accept “reality”.

“The reality that the existence of a Macedonian identity, nation, language and state cannot change,” Naumovski said.

However, he expressed optimism that a solution could be found soon “We believe that if there is honest will on both sides, we can get closer to a final solution very quickly,” Naumovski was quoted as saying.




1. Napoleon - January 6, 2011

Not another BIG Greek Lie?

Despite what some may think, there will never be a solution to the problems with Modern Greece because the mere existence of Macedonians and an independent Macedonian state negate and contradict the very foundations on which the Modern Greek state and Modern ‘Greek’ ethnicity were built. Modern Greece was created from an ethnically diverse population assimilated either willingly or by force under ‘Neo-Hellenism’, or the false belief that they are all ‘directly’ descended from the ancient Hellenes.

Any recognition of a Macedonian ethnicity by Modern Greece would be de facto recognition of the Macedonians within the borders of the modern Greece state. This poses a threat to the Modern ‘Greek’ identity as established under ‘Neo-Hellenism’, as the Moderns ‘Greeks’ are ALL supposed to be ‘directly descended’ from the ancient Hellenes. If the Macedonians in Modern Greece aren’t ‘Greek’ or ‘directly’ descended from the ancient Hellenes…then what other groups within Modern Greek society happen to be Non-Greek as well. These kinds of uncomfortable questions threaten to expose the policy of ‘Neo-Hellenism’ to be nothing more then a lie, to which Modern ‘Greeks’ fear would ultimately lead to the unraveling of the Modern Greek state. The Modern ‘Greeks’ therefore have two choices;

1 – Abandon the policy of ‘Neo-Hellenism’ and rediscover their true ethnic origins, or…

2 – Do everything in their power to erase the existence of a Macedonian ethnicity.

It is therefore clear what choice the Modern ‘Greeks’ have made. Modern ‘Greeks’ will NEVER recognize the existence of a Macedonian ethnicity and will do everything in their power to negate and erase the existence of Macedonia and Macedonians.

For this reason all diplomatic discussions with Modern Greece are pointless and must end NOW!!!

Philip - January 16, 2011

Napolean…You are such a typical Vardar Slav who has been trying to steal my Macedonian heritage from me. I am a true Macedonian of Greek or if you prefer Hellenistic descent. You Vardar Slavs have been telling yourselves that you are Macedonian and have continued lying to yourselves for so long that you actually believe that you are Macedonians. The Bulgarian dialect that you speak is not the Macedonian language that you also claim. I am disgusted that you FYROM’s are contiually trying to steal my Macedonian heritage from me and my kind and trying to sell it to the world. It’s time for you to come clean and admit your Bulgarian ancestry and language. The Bulgarians know this just as the Greeks do. Shame on all of you Vardars Slavs!

2. Bulgarslav - February 1, 2011

Its all about the name. The Greeks never stopped anyone from speaking Bulgarian, Serb, Turkish or Macedonski in Greece. Using the historic Hellenic name & identity, “Macedonian” for the identity of the people of Vardarska & its Bulgarslav language though is just not going to happen. Call it Macedonska, Macedonski but not Macedonian.

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